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Q&A: When it comes to Roth IRAs, 59½ and 5 are the magic numbers

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Dear Liz: You recently answered a question about Roth conversions, saying that each conversion triggered its own five-year holding period. It was my understanding that after age 59½, the five-year rule doesn’t apply and earnings aren’t taxed.

Answer: The rules for Roth IRAs can be complicated, and they’re different for accounts that you fund directly versus those that are funded through conversions.

If you contribute directly to a Roth, you can withdraw your contributions any time without tax or penalty. You can withdraw earnings tax free if you’re 59½ or older and the account has been open for at least five years.

But as mentioned in the previous column, the five-year holding period applies to each conversion you make from another retirement account into a Roth. What goes away after age 59½ is the 10% penalty for early withdrawal, says Mark Luscombe, principal analyst for Wolters Kluwer Tax & Accounting. Earnings withdrawn before five years can be taxed as income. However, it’s assumed that any withdrawals are principal first, so you’d have to withdraw the entire conversion amount before earnings would be taxed.

Luscombe notes that some people set up separate accounts for each conversion to make tracking the five-year periods easier. That could be especially helpful if they plan to make substantial withdrawals that could include earnings before the last conversion amount hits its five-year mark. Once all the five-year periods have expired, the accounts can be combined into one.

Q&A: Roth conversions and holding periods

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Dear Liz: Eight years ago I converted a number of stocks from an IRA to a Roth IRA and paid the taxes. Now I am in a position to convert the last shares but want to do it incrementally over the next four years. Does each conversion then require its own five-year waiting period or will anything in the existing Roth now qualify to be withdrawn at any time?

Answer: The IRS requires five-year holding periods before earnings can be withdrawn tax-free from Roth accounts. The five-year rule applies separately to each Roth conversion, so the partial conversions you’re contemplating will each have their own five-year holding period, says Mark Luscombe, principal analyst for Wolters Kluwer Tax & Accounting.

That’s different from regular Roth accounts, where the five-year rule starts the year the account was first opened and isn’t triggered again by subsequent contributions, Luscombe says.

Q&A: Navigating the Risks of 401(k)s, IRAs, and Payable-on-Death Accounts

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Dear Liz: You recently wrote about the drawbacks of payable on death accounts, including that the funds go directly to the beneficiaries before the estate’s expenses are paid. Aren’t all 401(k)s payable on death? I’m often reminded to update my beneficiary info whenever I log into my account. Should 401(k)s be converted to IRAs once we leave our jobs when we retire? At least one of my 401(k) accounts from a previous job is still in that company’s plan, as it is a very good plan. Can we designate that certain expenses be paid from the accounts before our beneficiaries receive their inheritance?

Answer: Retirement accounts, including 401(k)s and IRAs, typically have named beneficiaries that will inherit the money directly. That means retirement accounts have the same potential drawback as payable-on-death bank accounts or transfer-on-death arrangements. If you have no other assets when you die, the person who settles your estate may have to appeal to these beneficiaries to return some of the money to pay your final bills. The beneficiaries usually would be under no obligation to cooperate, however.

You could name your estate as your beneficiary, but that could have some tax drawbacks so you should consult an attorney before doing so.

Q&A: Rolling over a 401(k) account after starting a new job — at age 73

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Dear Liz: My wife, who turned 73 this year, worked for a company until Aug. 31. She started a new job with another company the following day. She plans to roll the 401(k) from the previous company into the 401(k) of the new company. Would she need to withdraw her required minimum distribution from the old 401(k), even though the money would be in the 401(k) of her current employer?

Answer: The answer to this question gets a little tricky, says Mark Luscombe, principal analyst for Wolters Kluwer Tax & Accounting.

If she had changed jobs last year, the year before she turned 73, she could have rolled her old 401(k) account into her new employer’s plan and postponed the need to take a required minimum distribution as long as she continued to work for the new employer.

However, since she turned 73 this year and is no longer working for her old employer, she must take an RMD from the old 401(k) plan. RMDs can’t be rolled over from one 401(k) to another, so she’s required to take her RMD from the old account before moving the rest of the money to the new plan, Luscombe says.

RMDs typically must be taken by Dec. 31. A first RMD can be delayed until April 1 of the year following the year someone turns 73. People who delay, though, wind up having to take a second RMD the same year. If your wife wanted to delay her RMD, she would have to take both withdrawals before she could rollover to the new plan.

To avoid that, your wife would need to take her first RMD from the old plan before Dec. 31 and then roll over the rest. She would not be required to make additional withdrawals as long as she keeps working for the new company, Luscombe says.

If she didn’t take the RMD before rolling over her account, she would be considered to have made an “excess contribution” to the new 401(k), which could be subject to penalties, Luscombe says. She could avoid the penalties by withdrawing the RMD amount, along with any earnings or losses associated with the excess contribution, by Oct. 15 of the year after the rollover, Luscombe says. A tax pro can help with those calculations.