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Q&A: Three marriages, but only one Social Security benefit

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Dear Liz: I was married for 10 years before divorcing. My second marriage also ended in divorce. I married for the third time and was widowed. I am collecting a survivor benefit. Am I also entitled to receive a benefit from my first marriage of 10 years? My first husband is still living.

Answer: Social Security is basically “either/or,” not “and.” If you qualify for two benefits, you typically get the larger check — not both.

Since you are currently unmarried, your ex is still living and your first marriage lasted 10 years, you may be eligible for a divorced spousal benefit. That can be up to 50% of your first husband’s benefit at his full retirement age.

You would only receive that benefit, however, if it were larger than the survivor benefit you’re currently receiving. Survivor benefits are up to 100% of the late worker’s check, so your first divorced spousal benefit would have to be substantially larger than what your late husband received to make a switch. You can call Social Security at (800) 772-1213 to inquire.

Q&A: A divorced couple considers retying the knot to maximize Social Security payments

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Dear Liz: I was married for 33 years and divorced 4 years ago. We have reconciled and are now back living together as a couple, but have not remarried. I’m 68, and my former spouse is 63. Neither of us is drawing Social Security, but we are now considering applying. Will she be able to draw more if we were to get remarried? It seems as if half of my payment will be more than what she’d get on her own. Also, when should I start drawing my benefit to maximize the payment?

Answer: Let’s start with the simpler of the two answers. Your benefit maxes out at age 70, so waiting until then to apply is usually the right strategy. Maximizing your check also maximizes the survivor benefit, or divorced survivor benefit, your partner might eventually receive.

The amount your partner would get as a spouse or a divorced spouse would be the same: up to 50% of your benefit at your full retirement age, assuming that amount is greater than her own benefit. To qualify for a divorced spousal benefit, the marriage must have lasted at least 10 years and two years must have passed since the divorce.

There’s one crucial difference between spousal and divorced spousal benefits, however. If you remarry one another, she will have to wait for you to apply for Social Security before she can qualify for a spousal benefit. If you don’t remarry, she doesn’t have to wait. A divorced spousal benefit can start as early as age 62, as long as the ex-spouse is also at least 62.

That doesn’t mean your partner should rush out to apply. Applying early — before her full retirement age of 67 — means settling for a smaller check.

Q&A: Don’t confuse Social Security’s spousal and survivor benefits

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Dear Liz: I waited until 70 to start taking Social Security. My wife, who is the lower earner, took a spousal benefit at her full retirement age. I know she is entitled to my benefit when I pass. However, I understand she does not get my current benefit but the amount I would have received if I had started Social Security at my full retirement age. How do I find that amount?

Answer: You don’t need to. Your wife’s current spousal benefit was based on the amount you would have received at full retirement age. Her survivor benefit — the one she would get if you die first — will be 100% of your current benefit. Because you waited and maximized your own benefit, you also maximized the survivor benefit she may have to live on in the years to come.

Many people confuse the rules for spousal and survivor benefits. Even though they’re based on the same thing — the earnings record of the higher or “primary” earner, which is you — they have different rules for how they’re calculated.

Q&A: Is it only the bread winners who get Social Security?

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Dear Liz: How is it that elderly people who have never contributed to Social Security can collect a check? My wife’s grandmother was getting more than $1,000 a month.

Answer: Spousal and survivor benefits are nearly as old as the Social Security program itself.

Social Security was signed into law in 1935. Initially, benefits were only for retired workers. In 1939, benefits were added for wives, widows and dependent children. Later changes added spousal and survivor benefits for men as well as disability benefits.

Social Security isn’t a retirement fund where workers deposit funds into individual accounts. Instead, it’s a social insurance program designed to provide income to retirees, workers who become disabled and the families of workers who die. Benefits are paid using taxes collected from current workers. Like other insurance, the system is designed to protect people against significant economic risks, such as outliving your savings, losing your ability to earn income or losing a breadwinner.

In other words, your wife’s grandmother may not have paid into the system, but her spouse or ex-spouse did, and that provided her with a small source of income.

Which Social Security benefit? It depends.

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Dear Liz: I am 61 and retired. My husband recently died at age 61 and he was still working at the time of his death. He’s always made more money than I did. I’ve been told that I can start getting Social Security after I turn 62 and when I turn 67 I can apply for survivor benefits. Is this correct?

Answer: You can start survivor benefits as early as age 60 and retirement benefits as early as age 62. Most people should delay their applications for Social Security benefits, because an early start typically means a smaller lifetime payout. You’re one of the exceptions since you’re allowed to switch between survivor benefits and your own.

Because the survivor benefit is much larger than your own, you’ll want to maximize your payout by not taking it early. That means waiting to start until your full retirement age. You can start your own benefit at 62 and switch to survivor benefits at 67.

An early start means being subject to the earnings test until full retirement age. If you’re not working, though, that’s a moot point.

Social Security is complicated and the right claiming strategy depends on the details of an individual’s situation. Consider using one of the paid Social Security claiming strategy sites, such as Maximize My Social Security or Social Security Solutions, to find the best approach.

Q&A: Timing on Social Security survivor benefits depends on dependents

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Dear Liz: My husband and I were married for 23 years before his passing in 2009. I am now 58 and have been told that I can only receive survivor’s benefits at the age of 60. However, an earlier question from a woman stated she and her son received benefits when her husband passed after 13 years of marriage and she was only 34 at the time. I’m aware that the child would receive benefits as he is a dependent but how did she receive benefits also? I’m confused, should I already be receiving as well?

Answer: Only if you’re caring for your husband’s child and the child is a minor or disabled. Surviving spouses can receive Social Security benefits at any age if they are caring for a child under 16 or a child who was disabled before age 22. Otherwise, survivor benefits can begin at age 60, or at age 50 if the survivor is disabled.