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Q&A: What’s ‘substantial’ in the eyes of Uncle Sam?

June 24, 2024 By Liz Weston

Dear Liz: I am retired and subject to both the windfall elimination provision and the government pension offset. In a recent column you indicated someone wouldn’t be subject to the windfall elimination provision if they had 30 years of “substantial earnings” in a job where Social Security tax was withheld. I contributed to Social Security for 32 years. How does one determine if these annual earnings are “substantial”?

Answer: Social Security has a two-page pamphlet about the windfall elimination provision that you can find online or request from the agency by calling (800) 772-1213. The pamphlet features a chart of the earnings required each year to be considered substantial. In 1992, for example, the amount was $10,350. In 2024, it’s $31,275. If you create a My Social Security online account — and you should — you can compare the amounts to what you earned during the years you contributed to the system.

Social Security has already done this and concluded you’re subject to the provision, which reduces but doesn’t eliminate your benefit because of the pension you earned from a job that didn’t pay into Social Security. If your Social Security record is inaccurate, though, you can contact the agency to correct it. You’ll probably need some kind of proof, such as pay stubs or W2s, so hopefully you’ve kept good records over the years.

Filed Under: Q&A, Social Security Tagged With: government pension offset, GPO, Social Security, substantial earnings, WEP, windfall elimination provision

Q&A: Is my wife’s pension at risk?

May 6, 2024 By Liz Weston

Dear Liz: My wife worked in the private sector for 30 years and paid into Social Security before starting her current job in the public sector. She will get a small pension from this job when she decides to retire. It’s our understanding that the windfall elimination provision won’t apply to her since she contributed to Social Security for 30 years. Is that correct? Will she also be able to receive her small pension?

Answer: Yes and yes. The windfall elimination provision normally applies to people who receive pensions from jobs that didn’t pay into Social Security. This provision can reduce, but not eliminate, the benefits they get from Social Security. However, the provision doesn’t apply to people who have 30 or more years of “substantial earnings” from jobs that did pay into Social Security. The amount considered “substantial” varies by year; in 2024, it’s $31,275.

Filed Under: Q&A, Social Security Tagged With: government pension, Pension, Social Security, WEP, windfall elimination provision

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