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		<title>Keep after your lender if you&#8217;re refinancing with a HELOC</title>
		<link>http://asklizweston.com/2009/06/30/keep-after-your-lender-if-youre-refinancing-with-a-heloc/</link>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Liz: I&#8217;m in a potentially bad situation with my home equity line of credit. I&#8217;m trying to refinance my primary mortgage and would save nearly $150 a month. But the HELOC lender is dragging its feet on agreeing to a subordination. If the lender doesn&#8217;t agree, I lose the deal. I&#8217;m wondering why the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Dear Liz: </strong>I&#8217;m in a potentially bad situation with my home equity line of credit. I&#8217;m trying to refinance my primary mortgage and would save nearly $150 a month. But the HELOC lender is dragging its feet on agreeing to a subordination. If the lender doesn&#8217;t agree, I lose the deal. I&#8217;m wondering why the lender does not believe it to be in its interest to help when I am trying to improve my financial situation. Can you give me some insight into the line of thinking here?</p>
<p><strong>Answer: </strong>Unfortunately, many would-be refinancers are in your uncomfortable position. They have a second mortgage, such as a home equity line of credit, on their property. These loans are known as &#8220;seconds&#8221; because the lender is in second position to be paid off when the home is sold, after the primary lender has been paid.</p>
<p>For a refinance to proceed, these HELOC lenders have to agree once again to be subordinated into second position. Some lenders balk because they don&#8217;t believe their borrowers have sufficient equity to cover both loans (even though, as you note, a lower payment on the first mortgage could make it more likely that the borrower could make payments on the second).</p>
<p>But a bigger problem seems to be lack of staff and lack of priority. Lenders are so busy trying to meet the demand for refinancing that other concerns, including subordination, often fall to the bottom of their to-do list.</p>
<p>That means you have to be extremely vigilant if you don&#8217;t want your refinance deal to fall apart. Call your new lender and your HELOC lender every few days to track the progress of your subordination. If there are problems or missing paperwork, promptly address those issues.</p>
<p>If your rate lock is within two to three weeks of expiring and your subordination still hasn&#8217;t been approved, call your HELOC lender and politely ask that your request be given top priority.</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t get through to the subordination department&#8217;s main line, ask the phone reps if there is a fax number or e-mail address you can use. If all else fails, take your problem to the bank&#8217;s chief executive. You&#8217;ll find the name and address online.</p>
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		<title>Refi&#8217;ing with a HELOC? Bird-dog your lenders</title>
		<link>http://asklizweston.com/2009/03/10/refiing-with-a-heloc-bird-dog-your-lenders/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trying to refinance your primary mortgage when you&#8217;ve got a home equity line of credit can be a real challenge these days. If you don&#8217;t have enough equity&#8211;and &#8220;enough&#8221; varies by lender&#8211;your HELOC lender may refuse to &#8220;subordinate,&#8221; or agree to stand in the credit line behind your new first mortgage. That can sink your [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying to refinance your primary mortgage when you&#8217;ve got a home equity line of credit can be a real challenge these days.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t have enough equity&#8211;and &#8220;enough&#8221; varies by lender&#8211;your HELOC lender may refuse to &#8220;subordinate,&#8221; or agree to stand in the credit line behind your new first mortgage.</p>
<p>That can sink your deal, unless you can pay off and close the HELOC.</p>
<p>Even if you&#8217;ve got plenty of equity and great credit scores, though, you can run into problems getting the subordination because the big surge in mortgage refinancing has caught many lenders short-handed. I learned that after sitting on hold with Washington Mutual&#8217;s subordination department&#8211;<em>for an hour</em>, and I still didn&#8217;t get through.</p>
<p>&#8220;Second mortgages have been a sticking point through this entire credit meltdown,&#8221; said Elizabeth Razzi, Washington Post real estate columnist. Subordinations aren&#8217;t a high priority for banks these days, and some lenders have pulled bodies from their subordination departments to work on loan modifications and refinances.</p>
<p>The delays can be so long that you may face losing that great interest rate you thought you had locked in.</p>
<p>For its part, WaMu&#8211;now owned by Chase&#8211;says it recognizes the subordination logjam and is trying to do something about it.</p>
<p><span lang="en-us">&#8220;Due to increased demand for refinancing, delays in re-subordination are an industry-wide issue,&#8221; said Chase spokesman Gary Kishner.Â  &#8220;Both Chase and WaMu are adding staff to handle increase in demand for re-subordinations.&#8221;</span></p>
<p><span lang="en-us">As a borrower, you shouldn&#8217;t sit passively and hope everything works out all right. Instead, you should:</span></p>
<p><span lang="en-us"><strong>Get the subordination started early.</strong> Urge the lender with whom you&#8217;re refinancing to submit the subordination request to your HELOC lender right away. Follow up with phone calls to the HELOC lender to make sure the request has been received and processing has begun.</span></p>
<p><span lang="en-us"><strong>Keep tabs.</strong> Call your refi lender and your HELOC lender every few days to make sure your loan and subordination are progressing smoothly. If there are problems or missing paperwork, address them promptly.<br />
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<p><span lang="en-us"><strong>Try to elbow your way to the front of the line. </strong>If your rate lock is within two to three weeks of expiring and your subordination hasn&#8217;t been approved, contact your HELOC lender and demand (politely) that your subordination request be &#8220;escalated,&#8221; or given top priority.<br />
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<p dir="ltr"><span lang="en-us"><strong>Find a back door.</strong> If you can&#8217;t get through to the subordination department&#8217;s main line, ask the phone reps if there is a fax number or email address you can use. </span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us">At Chase, call 877-437-0493.Â  At WaMu, fax a copy of the rate-lock expiration to 904-462-3643 or email it to </span><a onclick="onClickUnsafeLink(event);" href="mailto:subordinationagreements@wamu.net"><span lang="en-us"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">subordinationagreements@wamu.net</span></span></a><span lang="en-us">. Kirshner said faxed escalated rate lock expirations will receive an acknowledgement phone call from the representative processing the prioritized request. </span></p>
<p dir="ltr"><span lang="en-us"><strong>Consider a Plan B. </strong>Your refinance lender may be willing to give you more money in a cash-out refinance to pay off and close your HELOC. If not, you may be able to pay off the balance by borrowing elsewhere, such as from a 401(k)&#8211;but don&#8217;t even consider that if your job isn&#8217;t rock solid, since 401(k) loans can become inadvertent withdrawals if you lose your job and can&#8217;t pay the money back promptly.<br />
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